Problems with 2008 Honda Odyssey SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC

While driving with foot on the gas the vehicle felt as if i was pumping the brakes but i was not touching the brakes. it was slowing. i then heard a rattling noise so i turned off the radio and opened the window to listen. i continued to drive and felt the same "brake pumping" sensation again. i was near the dealer so i headed there to report the issues. directly in front of the dealer i felt a vibration under my foot on the gas pedal and hear a vibration sound. i arrived at the dealer to report the incident. i told the service rep. that i'd reported the same sensation 11 months ago while driving on vacation (while on the freeway). when i returned home i brought the vehicle to dealership but they found nothing. i'm afraid to drive it. if it does this while someone is driving directly behind me it will cause an accident. i honestly don't feel that is it is safe for me or others on the road to drive the vehicle. i'm afraid it will do the same thing on the freeway while i'm traveling at a high rate of speed. at this moment i feel like it is a death trap and will not drive it. i'm waiting from the dealership in the morning. *tr

After starting the vehicle and driving a short distance down the road at about 35 mph, the vehicle suddenly began slowing hard and the brake pedal went stiff as it applied it's own brakes. the event occurred over only a second or two before the brakes released and the car could accelerate again. however, moments later, the brakes applied again and promptly slowed the car down to a halt, again over a matter of a couple of seconds. during both occurrences, after immediately switching from the accelerator pedal to the brake pedal found the brake pedal impossible to press until the event passed. *tr

2008 odyssey with brake problems, front rotors replaced at 20k, recall for air in brake system completed, took back to dealer complaining that air is back. rebleed system again better, back to dealer about six months later, they say needs brakes replaced at a cost of 400.00 to 500.00. continued to drive vehicle brakes worked okay but shook van when driven for a while, 60k front rotors and back rotor need repair front pads need replacing back pads okay but dealer said again need brakes at all 4 corners. did the work my self to save money. when bleeding brakes i noticed black colored stuff coming out and lots of air. when will honda really fix the brakes? after a family dies because of brake failure. something is wrong with this system. front rotors twice and rear rotors at 60k. rear pads were okay but replaced because they mad noise real bad. *tr

After driving for several miles and apply the brakes it makes a grinding sound. i have taken it to the dealer ship several times but they could not duplicate the problem and could not solve the problem. the pads were checked each time and were in very good shape. *tt

Brakes are extremely soft and spongy, pedal sometimes has to be pressed completely to the floor to engage proper braking, nearly causing a crash on multiple occasions. takes much longer than it should to stop the vehicle. pumping brake pedal allows for better braking, as if there was air in the line. recall work completed in august 2011 for a similar issue where air could build up in system, but it did not fix issue. two visits to honda service center and they indicate nothing wrong with the system after multiple tests. dealer advised that previous recall repair was completed correctly. dealer advises that they tested against other odyssey's and all appear to brake the same, so there is no issue. google internet search revealed hundreds of similar complaints on this model year and similar claims from various honda dealers that there is nothing wrong with the braking system. *tr

On august 6, 2011 i took my 2008 honda odyssey (33,2281 miles) in to be looked at because there was a leak under my vehicle. it was determined that the front torque oil shaft converter/transmission was leaking. upon repair, i got home, and was experiencing the same problem. i took my van back to honda on august 11, 2011, only to have them determine that during the initial repair they had broke one of the seals during the install. they kept my vehicle for another 3 days, and gave me a rental car during this time. on november 4, 2011 (33,946) i took my car back in to honda because my steering wheel had become difficult to turn, and there was oil leaking from under my van again. the steering issue and the oil were both repaired again. my vehicle was returned to me on november 7, 2011. on friday march 3, 2012 (35,650 miles)i took my van back in to honda because my vehicle was sling-shooting and having very rough transitions in shifting gears in low speeds 35-45 mph. on march 4, 2012 honda informed me that my transmission was flare shifting and had complete internal transmission failure, and the entire transmission would have to be replaced. to date, i have been told that because it is over 36 months, (but still under 36,000 miles) it may not be covered under my warranty, and that they cannot provide me with a rental this time. three transmission issues, brake issues, steering issues, etc later i am without a vehicle again. i'd say this is a lemon. help! *tr

2008 honda odyssey - brakes engage by themselves. this has happened 3 times. traveling at speed limit (~45 mph) and suddenly the vans brake pedal engages and stops the car by itself. dealer flushed brake line and refilled - said it could be caused by air in the line. dealer said there was nothing else they could do unless they could duplicate the problem. *tr

While i was accelerating at aprox. 40-45 mph the car suddenly brakes by his own. i saw the brake pedal moving by itself ! i got scared by the consequences or the risk of having an accident. on the way to my home it happened two (2) more times while getting speed. went to the dealer but they didn't find anything. one week before the incident the dealer replaced two front brake pads and cut the front rotors because the car vibrated when the brakes were applied. the rotors were attended before. before this incident the vsa light turned on two times while stepping the brakes and the vehicle used to vibrate. i'm concern for the safety of my kids. *tr

Tl* the contact owns a 2008 honda odyssey. the contact was driving approximately 10 mph and applied the brakes when the brakes did not respond and the contact crashed into the rear of another vehicle. there were no injuries or damage to either vehicle. the dealer was contacted and advised that the vehicle was previously repaired under nhtsa campaign id number: 10v098000 (service brakes, air). the dealer advised the contact to take the vehicle in for inspection. the vehicle was neither inspected nor repaired. the vin was not available. the approximate failure mileage was 50,000.

Tl* the contact owns a 2008 honda odyssey. the contact stated that the brake pedal was depressed abnormally into the floorboard when the brakes were applied. in order to stop the vehicle, the contact had to apply repeated pressure to the brake pedal. the vehicle was taken to an authorized dealer, but they were unable to diagnose the failure. the rotors were resurfaced, but the failure continued. the manufacturer was not made aware of the failure. the failure mileage was 28,000.

I have a honda odyssey 2008 model - problems are: 1. brakes are sort of giving a feeling they are not rigid and firm. the pedal shakes when the brakes re applied to slow down the speed 2. there is a friction sound that is annoying all the time and this happens when the vehicle is stationary for long time and then moved. 3. when riding in snow conditions, the brake pedal shakes along with the vehicle hydroplaning. *tr

There is a problem with the braking system on the 2008 honda odyssey. it makes noises periodically and grinds sometimes. i have reported it to the dealership and corporate office. they insist nothing is wrong. *tr

I took my 2008 honda odyssey to the dealer after receiving the brake recall notice. the dealer made the changes to correct the problem as per the recall notice. about 1 month later while i was traveling 50 -55 mphi had to stop quickly to avoid hitting a car that had stopped in the road ahead of me. the brake pedal went to the floor and the van did not stop so i was forced to pull off the road onto a lawn and my van side swiped a mailbox . this was a terrifying experience for me and my 11 year old son who was in the passenger seat. i took the van back to the dealer on monday( 2 days after the accident) but was told the brakes were fine and the recall had been fixed appropriately. *tr

Minivan was brought to dealer to fix an overly-soft brake pedal, per a recall letter. car was returned with brakes equally soft (or worse), so that even a "panic brake" procedure (using 240 lb of foot strength) could not trigger the abs, brake assist, or other brake safety features. car was returned to the (same) dealer twice more, with no improvement. calls to honda brought no results. although there may be a simple fix (e.g., bleeding the brake fluid), honda made no attempt to diagnose and repair the problems that arose during a recall procedure.

[xxx] june 8, 2010 ref. vin # [xxx] honda case # [xxx] to all concerned, this letter is to explain the events that has led to me now having to take this issue to a more elevated level. at the end of october of 2008 my wife, mother and 3 children went to coggin honda located at 11051 s. orange blossom trail, orlando, fla. 32837 (tel. 407-851-9118) to look at the odyssey minivans. we were approached by sales & leasing consultant chester heath: cell [xxx] (no longer there) and he showed us around and met with finance manager francis rosario : cell [xxx] who financed us. about a week after driving it around i started to notice that it was making a noise when braking, a hard grinding noise (still making this noise to this day). i also noticed that it was making a clicking sound when making radius turns (since fixed by classic honda by fixing the front axle in november 2009) . also there was and still is a rattle by the steering wheel. my main concern however is the braking noise which at the beginning would come and go. it now does it almost every time i brake. that has been part of the problem, it comes and goes. so i told my wife about the noise that the car made and she suggested i call coggin honda to at least let it be known on record about the problem. i then called coggin that week and the person i spoke to said to just simply come by and we will have a look at it. since it did not always happen i thought to myself that it was a new car just getting settled. so i probably waited a few months (about jan. 2009) and then it started to make the noise on a constant basis and realized that this problem was not going away. i then brought the car to coggin and spoke with service advisor fritz ray (no longer there) and of course it did not make the noise at that time and because there was no noise they could. ...

Honda odyssey 2008 - brake issue - car shudders significantly when the brakes are applied - speeds in excess of 30 mph we have been told by our local honda dealership that our car is shuddering due to warped rotors - the odyssey only has 50k on it and there is plenty of brake pad so i am not sure i understand why the rotors would already be warped and need to either be resurfaced or replaced. this seems rather odd and i have seen many other similar complaints out on the web regarding this issue. the service individual at honda autosport also told me that it was very common for both pads and rotors to be replaced at 35k and that we were very lucky to have 50k on our van with plenty of brake pad remaining. in addition to the significant, almost violent shuddering that impacts steering that occurs when the brakes are applied - when the 2008 odyssey comes to a stop there is a grinding sound that we have begun to notice in the last 3 weeks which the dealership cannot explain. we also just received the cost of replacing the rotors and brakes - $645 dollars for a car that is just 2 years old - this should not be common place. i have also called and reported this to american honda, however, they were not very helpful with this matter. *tr

I own a 2008 honda odyssey minivan with 35,000 miles on it. i purchased the vehicle new from gillman honda of houston, texas in july of 2008. the reason i am writing is that we have had on going problems with the vehicle and honda keeps assuring us there is nothing wrong with the vehicle. the problem is that when i apply the brakes, even for a semi hard stop, the brakes sound like they are grinding metal on metal and the brake pedal almost hits the floorboard. i have taken the vehicle in three (3) times to the local honda dealership and each time they have given me a different story. what has not changed is that they advise all odyssey van owners report the same problem. what i would like to avoid is being the owner that leads a major recall because a crash resulting from defective brakes. i did receive a recall notice last week reporting a defect in the breaking system that was allowing air to enter the brake lines resulting in a 'soft' break petal but again, i was reassured the brakes were in good working order with plenty of pads remaining. again, i would like to summit this letter in an effort to determine just how many other complaints have been reported and if a fix can be made to this problem. thanks, *tr

Tl* the contact owns a 2008 honda odyssey. while driving between 30-35 mph, the contact engaged the brake pedal and the vehicle would not respond. the contact crashed into the rear of another vehicle causing that vehicle to crash into the rear of another vehicle. there were no injuries. a police report was available. the vehicle was towed to the dealer for repairs to the brakes and body damage. the contact stated that prior to the failure, he had contacted the dealer three times in regards to nhtsa campaign id number: 10v098000 (service brakes, air). the dealer advised that the contact would need to physically receive the recall letter before they would further inspect the vehicle for failures. the contact received notification of the recall following the crash and repairs. the failure mileage was approximately 38,436.

Car crashed on 4/30/2010 due to brake malfunction in honda odyssey 2008 i was driving the car slowly approaching a bank atm at 5-10 mi/hours. i was applying pressure on the brake with my foot. when i attempted to stop the car by pressing more on the brake, the car did not stop but continue forward. the car crashed into a iron stopper on the right front end. this is third instance of similar fashion with this car since we bough it in 2008. *tr

Tl* the contact owns a 2008 honda odyssey. the contact stated while driving at approximate speeds of 15 mph, she applied the brakes and there was a delay in brake engagement. the vehicle proceeded to crash into the rear of another vehicle. upon impact, the steering columns exhibited smoking. the police were called to the scene and a police report was filed accordingly. there was one unknown injury reported. the contacts insurance company was proceeding with an investigation of the failure. the vehicle had not yet been repaired. the vin was not available. the approximate failure and current mileages were unknown.

I have a honda odyssey 2008 and a major brake problem; the brakes have become so soft it would not stop immediately and only if the pedal is pushed all the way to floor, which make it difficult to stop in case of emergency. i took the car to dealership numerous times and reported the issue but they have not fixed the problem yet. i have three toddlers age 2 and 1and i drives the car on daily basis. this is most hazardous situation i am facing and honda's negligence can cause us severe consequences. *tr

While driving my 2008 honda odyssey touring, i experienced a brake failure after initially experiencing spongy pedal while driving. brake pedal went completely to the floor and brakes begin to grind, nearly causing the vehicle to go through a on coming traffic light. as a repeat honda odyssey owner, i experienced the same braking issue with my 2006 honda odyssey ex prior to trading it in. i never experienced this issue with 2001 honda odyssey. *tr

I have a 2008 honda odyssey and have experienced an extremely soft brake pedal. on a number of occasions as my right foot put normal pressure on the brake pedal, the pedal went almost down to the floor of the vehicle, causing my toe to put pressure on the accelerator pedal and the vehicle lurched forward. this has happened numerous times. i did receive a recall notice from honda in may 2010 pertaining to the soft brake pedal problem. i have now had my pedal adjusted three times by honda service and it does not improve the problem. each time the honda service personnel have explained the "2007 and 2008 odyssey models have an inherent "soft brake" problem. i fear an emergency braking of the odyssey can result in a serious highway collision and or serious injury or death. my opinion is that honda is not concerned with the danger this problem is to my family or others who might suffer injuries or death due to the braking problem. *tr

Brake pedal goes to floor (spongy). concerned that it is getting worse, have parked vehicle and driving another till recall is completed. sick auto mall (honda dealer) in hopkinsville, ky was not knowledge about problem so i did not feel comfortable about taking it to them for a check. they also did not seem concerned about my problem. when recall is received i will take it to another dealer for work.

3/10/10 - vehicle crash while driving on i80 near chicago, il. brakes, when applied hard, did not stop in time to avoid hitting a car in front. in heavy traffic at 7:45 am on i80/i94 wb, cars were slowing down to maintain adequate space between cars. there was at least one car length between my car (car 1) and the immediate car in front of me. the front car (car 2) was traveling at 45 mph in construction zone, and slowing. car 2 stopped abruptly, brakes were applied on car 1, but did not stop in time to avoid the rear-end crash. brakes were applied with both feet applying energy. i could feel that the brakes bottomed out near firewall, but vehicle didn't stop. *tr

Honda odyssey brake problem my honda having low brake and i took the vehicle to the dealer and they didn't do anything and took $29.99 for inspection. i brought this issue to american honda and they also do nothing. so i request to nhtsa please take necessary action against american honda because of their negligence. *tr

In february i purchased a 2008 honda odyssey with 25k miles, brakes pedal seems inconsistent, spongy with excessive pedal travel before brakes respond. feels like air in lines which requires the driver to pre-think braking and leave additional space between them and the vehicle in front of them. abrupt stops are difficult and delayed due to the inconsistency. returned van to dealer immediately and was told it there is nothing wrong with the vehicle, "this is how the odyssey brakes feel". *tr

My honda odyssey 2008 having shaky problem on the brake system after 15000 miles. the problem persists and getting worse. i've taken the car to honda dealer and they say the car warranty only cover 12000 miles for the brake and was not as part of the 36,000 miles manufacture guarantee. *tr

Tl* the contact owns a 2008 honda odyssey. the contact stated that whenever the vehicle was driven 40 mph and over, the vehicle would shake abnormally with an accompanying rattling sound when applying the brakes. the contact stated that the vehicle was taken to the dealer several times but the dealer was unable to diagnose or duplicate the failure. the contact was concerned that the brakes would fail at some point. the failure mileage was unknown and the current mileage was 30,000. updated 06/07/11*lj updated 06/13/11

We have taken our 2008 honda odyssey to the dealer several times for brakes that are so soft and shake so badly under braking that i consider them dangerous--have had several near-misses because brakes are so weak. we have been told every time that they are "functioning exactly as they were designed to function. *tr

Driver in front me stopped and i was unable to slow down due to the unresponsiveness of my 2008 honda odyssey. i ended up rear ending the vehicle in front of me. we've been complaining of soft brakes and the inability to stop for awhile to the dealer. they've said it's normal. on a trip up to reno recently, it was very apparent that the vehicle had problems stopping. the brakes would cause the steering wheel to shake. we've had many vehicles and have not had this issue. *tr

2008 odyssey van brakes have been shaking the steering wheel for about 12,000 miles and i have also complained the pedal feels soft. honda dealer in dublin say their is nothing wrong. finally took it to el cerrito honda and they said the pads have more than 50% left and we have hot spots in the front rotors and it would cost 380 dollars to fix. my question is if i have over 50% of my pads left at 34,000 miles which seem good then how did the hot spots get in the rotors. hot spot or wrapped rotors are a sign of abuse. i have changed the front rotors myself and the shaking went away but the soft pedal is still present. you can pump the brakes and they will work better!!!!!! *tr

Model: 2008 honda odyssey ex-l (with nav & rear ent. system) issue: brakes are very tentative and "mushy". atypical pedal travel before braking action activated, and then requiring much more pressure to activate braking than what would be considered normal. we recently purchased this vehicle used from honda carland, alpharetta, ga. vehicle had undergone the honda "certified" used car inspection prior to sale. we are very concerned with the brakes in this vehicle and have become aware that a substantial number of other complaints regarding the brakes have been made. we encourage an investigation and recall so that this potentially dangerous situation can be fixed. we will return the vehicle to the dealership for inspection and potential repair. *tr

Tl* the contact owns a 2008 honda odyssey. the contact stated while accelerating from a traffic stop at 15 mph, the vehicle ahead of him abruptly applied the brakes causing the contact to crash into the rear of the vehicle. the contact stated he applied the brakes but they did not engage. there were no injuries. the dealer was unable to duplicate the failure. there were no repairs. on a separate occasion while driving at 35 mph, a preceding vehicle stopped and the contact attempted to brake but to no avail. the brakes did not engage and the contact crashed into the vehicle. there were no injuries and the vehicle was drivable. soon after, the contact received notification of nhtsa campaign id number: 10v098000 (service brakes, air). the vin was not available. the failure and current mileages was unknown.

Tl*the contact owns a 2008 honda odyssey. while driving 40 mph the anti-lock brake and the vsa light illuminated on the dashboard. he stated that the light may stay on for 50 to 100 miles and the light would shut off. he stated that when the abs light was on he had regular brakes. the failure had occurred for at least a year. the vehicle was taken to the dealer several times for the failure but they could not duplicate the failure. he also stated that the dealer had never written an invoice for the failure. the failure mileage was 12,000 and the current mileage was 18,000.

Very poor braking action and low and spongy brake pedal on 2008 honda odyssey le. vehicle purchased on 9/12/08. due to low spongy pedal the abs modulator was replace on 3/10/08 at 3416 miles. on 6/3/09 at 5279 i complained about the brakes again for same reasons and was advised that was "normal for an odyssey" and "pedal feels normal at this time". on 10/26/09 while descending a hill traffic came to sudden stop. odyssey pedal went down to the floor without activating abs or skidding the tires. car stopped but nearly hit car in front. car is going in to dealer tomorrow for further work. *tr

Brakes are too soft. had accident twice already because brakes dont react like they are suppose to. you have to push the brake down really hard. with that also said transmission has been a problem since day 1. you hear a loud noise when you change gears. went to the honda dealer and they said its normal. i dont think this should be making loud grunting noise. *tr

2008 honda odyssey - brake pedal is traveling too far periodically. you attempt to stop and the pedal does not actuate the brakes unless you slam on them. specifically a problem on a hill. seeking service this week for a solution. *tr

In november of 2008 i purchased a new 2008 honda odyssey from apple honda of york, pa.. several weeks later going down a fairly steep hill into the lincoln highway, i had no brakes at all i could not even feel the brake peddle. fortunately it was early in the morning and highway traffic was light. i was able to make a left turn into the highway and roll to s stop in a business parking lot. i shut off the engine until i recovered from the fright. i restarted the engine to move an actual parking place. then i discovered that i had brakes. i assumed that being new to the odyssey, that i had some how missed the brake peddle and that is why i did not even feel it. thirty thousand miles later while turning into a parking place in a wal-mart lot i think the brakes did the same thing but my speed was so slow i was not sure. i drove thirty miles that day and had no concern or problem. that evening i returned to the same store and was parking in a remote area of the lot and had no brakes. exactly like the hill incident a long time ago. i managed to steer away from everything until i got the odyssey stopped. again i shut off the engine and upon restarting had brakes. i drove very fearfully to the nearest honda dealer an got there at 6am one hour before they opened to take advantage of light traffic. i told the service advisor at front range honda in colorado springs, co; that on at least two separate occasions i had no brakes at all and after shutting off the engine and restarting i had brakes. the service advisor wrote it up as my stating soft brake peddle. this is not the problem and not what i stated. is honda down playing a very serious problem? while in the service waiting area i used my laptop to research odyssey brake problems and found a great many. they replaced the abs module. i am shocked that an electronic component can have intermittent problems that can cause complete brake failure. *tr

I am writing this complaint after reading about the honda odyssey recall about brake malfunction on 2007 and 2008 models. i read there were three reports or crashed due to this failure. i think a lot of people had this problem and did not reported it. i purchased a 2008 odyssey, with brake problems. i went back to the dealer with complaints time after time, and everytime i was told they checked it and it was normal. finally, i was in a fender bender because the brakes do not respond as expected. i never bother to report any of this, but i am sure there are a lot of people in the same situation. *tr

2008 honda odyssey - brake problems. purchased vehicle new. too much play when pressing brake pedal. took to dealership a few times. was told initially that this was simply how this model drove. i disagreed. took it in again and the modulator (or regulator of some sort) was replaced and i was told this was defective. seems similar to other complaints that have been filed. i saw immediate improvements once this part was replaced. *tr

The brakes on my 2008 honda odyssey are terrible, very soft, sometimes it is very difficult to stop. i have taken it to the dealer twice and they tell me there is nothing they can do, they say the brakes are operating properly. when i looked into this problem online i found many others having the same problem. why is it going to take a death to solve this problem! *tr

Tl*the contact owns a 2008 honda odyssey. while driving approximately 25 mph on an incline, he had to exert great force to decelerate. an authorized technician was unable to duplicate the failure or find an error code; therefore, he could not provide a remedy. he was in the process of notifying the manufacturer. the failure mileage was 13,500 and the current mileage was 18,500.

Almost in accident when brakes on 2008 honda odyssey went to floor, brakes are very soft. i noticed that the brakes felt soft few weeks ago, took the dealership they said that is normal for honda vans. i don't think so this is a very dangerous. *tr

Soft/spongy brake pedal that when pressed longer it will sink to the floor making it uneffective. *tr

Soft/spongy brake pedal that when pressed longer it will sink to the floor making it ineffective. *tr

Tl* the contact owns a 2008 honda odyssey. the contact stated that while driving at speeds of 20 mph, the vehicle would accelerate without driver intent. when depressed, the brake pedal would fall 1-inch below the accelerator pedal, causing the contact to simultaneously depress both pedals without intent. the dealer stated that he could find no failures in the vehicle. there were no repairs made to the vehicle. the failure mileage was unknown and the current mileage was 11,457. updated 05/07/10. *lj the consumer stated when he applied the brake, it would go way beyond the accelerator pedal. updated 07/13/10

2008 odyssey brakes feel changes and does not feel like it is stopping. caused the van to hit washer in garage. *tr

The brake pedal has always been"soft". it has just been getting worse.on numerous occasions after jan 2010 the pedal almost reaches the floor of the vehicle. as a result of a honda recall in may 2010, i had the vehicle checked at a honda dealer in sandusky, oh. since then i have taken the vehicle to my local honda dealer in deland, fl three (3) times. on no occasion has the brake pedal been adjusted to prevent the pedal travel to near the floor. also several times as i had to brake suddenly, my foot has simultaneously pressed the accelerator pedal almost causing my vehicle to hit an object in front of my vehicle. i cannot even sell this vehicle knowing of this apparent defect. the service personnel at the dealer confirm that there is an inherent defect in the 2007 and 2008 honda odyssey, and there is "nothing" they can do to remedy the problem. i strongly feel that i will have to consult with an attorney to settle this problem. i have more than 35,000 dollars invested in this vehicle and am not being treated for this defect. *tr

2008 honda odyssey. consumer states brake pedal depresses. *tgw the consumer stated when the brake pedal was depressed in an emergency condition or in a panic stop, the pedal would travel below the accelerator pedal which would cause both pedals to be depressed simultaneously which also caused the vehicle to lurch forward when the brake pedal was released. also, there was a problem with the steering wheel indicator lighting. there was a very noticeable difference in the consumers vehicle illumination intensity of the steering wheel indicator lights and the rest of the vehicles lighted indicators on the doors and dash fixtures. in the dark of night, out on the open highway, the consumer could easily read the lighted door and dash indicator, but he could not read the faintly lit indicators on the steering wheel. the dealer stated the steering wheel light indicators were the same as all the other odyssey's on the lot. *jb